Do you agree with the Tiger Mom's strict parenting?

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    Yes, it's good for kids in the long run.
    26%
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    No, she's way too harsh.
    22%
  • 132421
    Sort of: She has some good points, but she goes too far.
    52%

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Amy Chua has sparked quite the debate on how strict is too strict when it comes to parenting. Making your kids practice piano? OK. Making them practice for three hours daily, then calling them "lazy" and "pathetic" when they can't master a piece? Hmmm....

You can read an excerpt of Amy Chua's momoir here, and check out her TODAY interview here. She thinks that being strict, even harsh, with her two daughters has helped make them successful young women, by setting high standards for them to reach. And she scorns typical American parenting for "coddling" children and accepting mediocrity.

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Yes, it's good for kids in the long run.
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Sort of: She has some good points, but she goes too far.
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Yes, it's good for kids in the long run.

The need for discipline is evident everywhere I go here in the States. Children need structure and understand that there are boundaries.

  • 5 votes
 - 10:40 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
Yes, it's good for kids in the long run.

Children need structure and high expectations. I don't agree with the name calling but is there praise involved when they excell?

  • 4 votes
 - 10:42 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
No, she's way too harsh.

Freedom of choice is the MOST important thing in life. Period. Otherwise we are just raising trained animals, robots.

  • 3 votes
 - 10:42 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
Yes, it's good for kids in the long run.

good stuff, great tips kids could benefit from this.

  • 4 votes
 - 10:44 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
No, she's way too harsh.

Nothing but the BEST children are good enough to glorify her.

  • 3 votes
 - 10:46 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
No, she's way too harsh.

I would NEVER throw a handmade card (picture or anything else) back at my child, grandchild, or ANY child and tell them "I reject this"!!

  • 3 votes
 - 10:46 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
No, she's way too harsh.

she's abusive and arrogant. I'm sure the one dimensional, completely out of shape children will die of heart attacks by the age of 60...

  • 3 votes
 - 10:46 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
No, she's way too harsh.

HOLY @!$%#!!!!1

  • 4 votes
 - 10:50 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
Sort of: She has some good points, but she goes too far.

Amy Chuan gone way overboard on this. I agree you need be strict with your kids but you also need to be fair, not just a total control frea

  • 5 votes
 - MikeLee
 - 10:52 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
Yes, it's good for kids in the long run.

She needs to be a little tougher. She should seek out our beloved blessed Sarah, place an offering at her feet and wait for guidance. .

  • 2 votes
 - 10:54 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
No, she's way too harsh.

These are the people who end up going wild in college or afterwards when they are finally on their own. Everything in moderation

  • 6 votes
 - 11:01 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
Sort of: She has some good points, but she goes too far.

Children need discipline and guidance, but also love. Phys. punishment is taboo in my book. Am. parents often too lax, Chinese go overboar

  • 3 votes
 - Susi-Oh
 - 11:01 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
Yes, it's good for kids in the long run.

WE BOOMERS WERE BROUGHT UP IN THIS STYLE AND WE ARE THE MOST LOYAL WORKERS AND CAN PASS A DRUG TEST!
JOHNNY AND SUZY WILL HAVE TO DEAL!

     - 11:03 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
    Yes, it's good for kids in the long run.

    perfect !!!

    • 3 votes
     - bubbers
     - 11:04 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
    Yes, it's good for kids in the long run.

    I think that if more western parents had the same views as this Tiger mom then we would not have the problems we do in America with our kid

    • 3 votes
     - 11:04 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
    No, she's way too harsh.

    She's a bully.

    • 4 votes
     - gypsyT
     - 11:04 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
    Sort of: She has some good points, but she goes too far.

    The little girl could learn the piece eventually. Another month of learning would have been just fine and everyone would have felt the same

       - 11:14 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
      Yes, it's good for kids in the long run.

      Giving children a strict set of rules only helps them thru their lives.

      • 4 votes
       - 11:15 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
      Sort of: She has some good points, but she goes too far.

      Challenging kids to perform better is a path to success and self-confidence. Self-confidence must come from within, not others.

      • 3 votes
       - khn
       - 11:17 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
      Yes, it's good for kids in the long run.

      My Brother's wife (Chinese) did the same thing with their Daughter. NEVER got less than an A in anything!!! Believe me, it works.

      • 5 votes
       - 11:18 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
      Yes, it's good for kids in the long run.

      Yes, her methods are quite harsh, but at least she IS being a parent. Allowing kids to be zombies in front of a tv screen is horrible.

         - ceeto
         - 11:19 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
        Yes, it's good for kids in the long run.

        There would be more contributing hgh moral members with honest ethics in our society if more parents were like Ms. Chua..Kudos

        • 3 votes
         - Ken E
         - 11:25 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
        Sort of: She has some good points, but she goes too far.

        Her focus on wordly success is unwise. Bernie Madoff, Leona Helmsley, & Ted Bundy were all smart & successful. I'd rather have a GOOD kid

        • 1 vote
         - 11:30 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
        Sort of: She has some good points, but she goes too far.

        I find that there are some real gems hidden within what she is saying. Perhaps a few adjustments may be necessay to fine tune her strategy

        • 2 votes
         - 11:31 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011
        Yes, it's good for kids in the long run.

        We are framing the question wrong, it is not "strict parenting".! It is parenting as it should be! No more excuse.

        • 5 votes
         - 11:31 am EST on Tue Jan 11, 2011

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        Kids need discipline, but if you give too much discipline and don't allow them to choose for themselves, and love them for that, you get a much different product in the short term.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#1 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:45 AM EST

        My Brother is married to a Chinese woman. After a few years of marriage, she brought her Daughter to the US from China. The Daughter didn't speak any English. She arrived in March, began American high school that June. She got nothing but A's. She brought home a B in math, so the parents went to school to discuss this grade. They found out that the Daughter didn't quite understand what was being taught in English. She was allowed to retake the test, and got an A+! Daughter is now in College, NEVER scores less than an A in any course she takes.... Engineering courses. I remember when the Daughter started school. Mom had a discussion with her, debating the time each day that must be devoted to studying, after homework was done. It was agreed that 6 hours a day would be acceptable. Daughter has a full scholarship to college based on academics.

        Mom didnt ask Daughter to do anything she wouldn't do. Mom went to nursing school and got an RN degree. For four years Mom hardly went to any family functions because of school and the EIGHT hours, 7 days a week, she spent studying. Mom got nothing but A's, and won every single award that the college was awarding. I was totally amazed at both Mom and Daughter's accomplishments.

        The simple fact that Daughter learned enough English in a few months to attend High School and excel was amazing in and of itself. I think this demonstrates that kids can do far better than they think they can, if only parents would push them to excel, and accept nothing less than their best effort.

        My two Sons thought they were nuts for pushing so hard, but alas, they were just average B/C students and didn't really push themselves. In some ways, it was embarrassing. I think, based on this experience that there is a lot to be said for strict parents that insist on hard work and excellence. Oh, and Daughter is NOT a maladjusted person. She has boyfriends, is socially active, and finds time to have fun, too. Lives at college, and still practices the rules Mom taught her as a young girl.

        • 4 votes
        #1.1 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:31 AM EST

        I have seen book-smart Chinese interns that cannot function as actual doctors because they are so emotionally stunted due to this type of parenting. This woman is unbalanced and abusive.

        If China is so great why doesn't she live there? Have you seen the living standards of the average Chinese person in China? NO THANK YOU ! I would take America and American children any day of the week! Todays world doesn't require this old world thinking like she is pushing....why do you think yahoo, google, facebook, microsoft, the internet were all created by AMERICANS? because of our weird , creative, free thinking , culture! Why do you think we have the best doctors, hospitals, research facilities and standard of living? WE totally rock----- she needs to get on-board with American thinking not the other way around. ( I am not saying we don't have some issues to work out but by far I would rather live here!)

        • 4 votes
        #1.2 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:28 PM EST

        This woman gives tiger mothers a bad name. I've never seen a tiger treat her cubs like this.

        • 2 votes
        #1.3 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:02 PM EST

        @Kallie

        You are actually an ignorant, immature, blinded idiot. Get out of your bubble world of Americana and realize that We are losing power to the nations that have this parenting mentality. The future lies not here, but there. Standards of living in Asia our much better and more convenient than ours. Trust me as I recently visited both Korea and Japan, and was ashamed to take out my American Smartphone because of how pathetically low tech it was compared to what was available there.

        She too would also live here, which is why she is. I do not see her anywhere saying "CHINAS SO GREAT!!" like you seem to imply. Now sure, say "oh i'll take an American child any day of the week", but which countries have the highest scoring students? Japan, Korea, Singapore, China, India, to name a few. Where is America????? Not even in the top 20! Who do you think will be leading the world in 40 years???? Oh we "creative" Americans will be! Because it is our destiny that we must manifest! Because we have "free thinking"!!! Well so do they. And so do her kids, because last I checked, music is man's oldest medium of creativity, she is simply guiding that creativity. Also, this thinking is not just Asian, it was American too even half a century ago. It was this hardworking, ambitious, prove-yourself mentality instilled in our ancestors that led us to the forefront, not the lazy attitude of today. So go ahead, jump on the train of your "American Thinking". You'll simply be left in the dust of those ambitious and dying to get out of their desolate beginnings. And 'those' would be the nations of the east.

        Now do not by any means accuse me of being unpatriotic, I love America and all it stands for, but it simply saddens me that so much of our nation is lost in ignorance and slovenliness. I hope my humble opinion simply lets you think more about the issue.

        • 2 votes
        #1.4 - Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:23 AM EST

        As a parenting researcher, I can say that there is no evidence that the kind of pressure and belittling that Amy Chua describes in the book is either typical of Asian American parents or helpful in promoting motivation. Parents can have high expectations and clear rules and boundaries but convey them in a manner that respects children, empathizes with them and provides them choices and input into decisions. When children are behind their activities they are much more likely to persist with them. Ms. Chua is correct that any activity that is difficult requires practice and hard work but this will be most likely when children have their own goals and understand connections between these behaviors and success. Tips for combining high expectations with support of autonomy in my book Pressured Parents, Stressed Out Kids: Dealing with Competition While Raising a Successful Child (pressuredparents.com)

          #1.5 - Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:10 AM EST

          and that is EXACTLY what she does.....

          medicated up soccer moms are more worried about their dumb kids finding out they are dumb and demand there are no losers.... how stupid do u think the human mind is to think no one wins no one comes out on top. take taht kind of thinking into a JOB see how far u get. take it out into the world anywhere and u r done.

            #1.6 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:05 PM EST
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            What this woman is raising, is HARSH people. Sure, they will grow up and be "successful" but what profits it a person if they gain the whole world and lose their own soul as they too in turn, treat all others harshly, because that's what they have become? We don't need more harsh heartless people in this world.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#2 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:47 AM EST

            yeah so right. kids should be soccer mom'd into thinking everyone wins. coutned at whent hey are bad.

            which produces kids that THINK they deserve a gift at every turn. the best they can achieve is the assembly line, but dont look tot hem to try and out due someone else because they will be too busy crying that others are

              #2.1 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:08 PM EST
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              Ask Donny Osmond what he thinks of how his father treated him, to make him "great" and of all the childhood lost in the process. Same thing with Michael Jackson. Kids need to be kids, and parents need to stop being prideful, trying to make THEIR kids better than everyone else's kids. So much pride in parenting, that's what this is.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#3 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:49 AM EST
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              I think this woman has the right idea. Children and young adults today have no sense of having to work hard for something, they EXPECT things. And I say this as a younger adult myself (just barely 30 years old). I've never heard so many people say, "Well, that's not my job" or "I don't know how to do that so you'll have to find someone else" before in my entire career and it's because these kids/young adults weren't raised with discipline. My parents gave me a great deal of freedom in my choices, but they also made it very clear that they had certain expectations of me, ie. get good grades, get into a good college, do well and find a good job and work hard. Mediocrity was not an option and I'm not a soul-less robot.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#4 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:00 AM EST

              My father was the exact way but my mother was the balancing force. In my house hold it was either an A or Not . I am the same way with my child but I have learned to give a little when it comes to playdates and sleepovers because those are things that are important in social growth. The ironic thing is that my parents are African-American and this type of expectation is not promoted in our community. My father always said that the Chinese understood excellence.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#5 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:04 AM EST

              I totally agree. This kind of parenting used to be the norm in the Black community. We need to get back to that kind of parenting.

              • 1 vote
              #5.1 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:42 AM EST

              I agree. In my family, anything less than an A requires a stern talking to. A "C" could mean that you were grounded and were not allowed to play video games (we were only allowed to play video games on the weekends). Unfortunately, the black families who do promote this type of parenting are not represented in the media. The only families noticed are the ones with many educational and social problems (who needs "The Cosby Show", there are no black people who really live like them, anyway <sarcasm>.)

              My mother is a middle school teacher and it amazes her that African immigrant parents would often send their children back to their respective country every so often to show them what oppurtunities they have.

              Am I saying that we need to psychologically abuse children for the sake of perfection? No, of course not. I am just grateful that my parents disciplined us so that we would be nothing like the misbehaving students in her class, many of which became involved with violent activity later in life.

              Do I agree with all of what Amy Chua says, such as telling children that they are "pathetic" if they do not master a piece? Not really, but is there only one "right" way to raise children? I don't know. I don't think anyone really knows.

              • 1 vote
              #5.2 - Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:23 PM EST
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              perfect!!!

                Reply#6 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:09 AM EST

                I was so ready to give up on the "milllenium" parents until now. I am ecstatic someone has finally spoken up and tell it like it is. Face it, American kids are whiners and lazy because they have it all and don't even know it. If you don't believe me just stop and wonder why kids whine about going to school and taking piano lessons when children in other parts of the world wish in vain they had the golden opportunity to leave behind an impoverished and hopleless future.

                • 4 votes
                Reply#7 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:25 AM EST

                look who would have turned hard on her own mom and dad in Mao's China !

                • 3 votes
                Reply#8 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:28 AM EST

                She needs a billy club

                  Reply#9 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:53 AM EST

                   What was her husband doing while all this was going on.   I would hate to be with this woman.   I am married to an Asian woman from Taiwan and her kids excelled very well without all of this junk!   She is certifiable and her daughters will eventually rebel once they go to college.

                   

                   

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#10 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:57 AM EST
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                   As I always said.

                  If you have self motivated children, raise your kids the Western way.  If your kids are not self motivated then apply the Chinese (Tiger Mom) way.  That's my point.

                   

                  CA

                    Reply#11 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:57 AM EST

                    There are many approaches to raising children which are based on cultural or religious preferences.  And certainly some elements the approach described in "Tiger" seem extreme.  While there are many many successful stories about the more familiar "Western" approach we must also be mindful that on a population basis it too has many shortcomings:

                    Teenage drug use:  By 12th grade more than 50% of student report some drug use.  Granted this statisic includes alcohol and many parents say thank goodness it was only alcohol. And some parent even condone the use of alcohol by minors.  Parent should keep in mind that alcohol kills 5 times as many teenagers as all other drugs combined.  Perhaps the parents should lean more towards discouraging all drug use including alcohol.

                    Teenage Suicide: Teenage suicide is the third leading cause of death among people between the age of 15 and 22.  Even more disturbing is that suicide is the fourth leading cause of death among children ages 10-14. Often times parents are totally suprized when a child commits suicide indicating that despite what they may have thought was a good relationship with their child, they actually had no idea how the child we thinking and feeling.

                    High School Drop Out Rates: The national average drop out rate is approximately 33% but can range between 10% and 42% depending on many factors. Parents have the primary responsibility of ensuring that their children complete their work and receive maximum benefit of what their school has to offer.

                    Teenage Obesiety:  Obesiety among teenages has tripled over the last 20 years and now stands at 14%.  While there is some controversy about the cause of obesiety among teenager the vast majority of this problem likely could be corrected by parents paying more attention to their childrens diet, exercise, social health and emotional health.

                    Teen Violence:  The Center for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 30% of children in grades 6 through 10 experience bullying as either the target or as the bully. The CDC also estimates that 33% of high school students were involved in at least physical fight with a 12 month period.  17% of high school students admit to carrying a weapon (knife, gun or club) in anticipation of violence at least once.  And of course we are all aware of cases of extreme teenage violence such as the massacre at  Columbine High School.

                    The list can go on an on but I think the point is easy to understand and that is both the cause and solution to many of the issues listed above rest with parents.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#13 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:17 PM EST

                    Children need rules and boundries. The American children are rude, lazy, and without any form of manners what-so-ever. They lack respect. These things are taught at home. So the bottom line these kids with no rules and boundries are now the wards of the State in our Prison System.

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#15 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:37 PM EST
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                    I dont know, but as a recent graduate of a huge, world-class university (Purdue), let me just start by saying, 99% of the people I met who were absolutely insane (getting arrested, sleeping with 5+ people per week, getting drunk for days at a time, etc, etc) attended private, higher-class schools, usually had strict parents, are were often looking for ways to express themselves.

                    In fact, the kids who seemed to have it 'all together', were ones that had loving, but out-of-the-picture parents. They were too busy working, taking care of other siblings, etc.

                    In the book, 'The Inner Game of Tennis', Gallwey speaks of the human mind leaning best from simply observing, rather than being coercively forced into something it cannot and will not do. Whether this is math, music, history, or tennis, is it essentially the same concept: the human mind evolved well before people could forcefully apply their own rules. Think about it.

                    The essence of success is small enjoyment in activities.

                    Now, this does not mean parents can't be strict. But to be the Fuhrer is not the answer, either.

                    Having said all of this, my parents let me do what I wanted. I got decent grades in high school, As, Bs. I did multiple things outside of high school I enjoyed..including music, theater..I dated many girls...I drank when i was in high school. I smoked pot. I did a lot of typical high school stuff.

                    But that's just me. I live in the USA.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#16 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:52 PM EST

                    So your overall point is what...?

                      #16.1 - Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:04 PM EST
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                      Well well, she is trying to sell a book, who'd a thunk it?

                      Maybe the idiocy of the statements are only geared towards creating a buzz that results in dollars.

                      Either way, she is simply dishonest in her presentation. Having much personal experience with Chinese culture, I can say that the real driving forces behind this type of achievement pressure on Chinese children are twofold:

                      First is the gain or loss of face (social status) by the parents that rest on the child's achievement. The child is seen as a tool to provide bragging rights and higher perceived status based on thier success of failure.

                      Second is the hopefully high paying, high status career that results is intended to directly financially benefit the parents. The kids are literally conceived and raised specifically to financially support the parents.

                      This is not a joke. If you spend time in China you can learn this. Before anyone starts weaving lovely myths about what a moral and responsible society this type of child rearing creates, take a good look at China, rampant corruption, prostitution, infidelity, graft, unabashed cruelty towards non-family and the poor as well as animals. Really, Chinese society has some very good points, I lived there, but in many aspects it is not utopia.

                      This whole story is just more western China drooling hype.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#17 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:53 PM EST

                      I also live in Asia and what you stated is very true.

                      The parents invest time and money in their children and EXPECT a return on their INVESTMENT. In the Thai Society you are judged by how well you take care of your family. It is common for children to give a allowance to their parents, for life... Different Societies expect/demand different things.

                      I have 4 children raised the USA way. All successful with families, but do not expect anything from them, and just hope Obama does not cut SS & Military retirement.

                      At least my family in Thailand will make sure I do not starve. And I do not have to put up with screaming kids on airplanes and drug users on the streets. Ha! Ha!

                        #17.1 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:54 PM EST
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                        Dear "Shot a man in Reno...",

                        Please don't bother questioning my intelligence. You're tag line "Shot a man in a Reno..." is a question of YOUR intelligence. My "inane ramblings" are mine and mine alone. And nice use of adjectives. Look at you go....

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#18 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:12 PM EST

                        She has some REALLY GREAT points! A majority of American children waste SO much time on computers, games...... A lot of parents now days are almost scared to push their children to excellence! Look at the new movements in sports everyone gets a trophy....let us not keep score...wouldn't want children to actually learn that sometimes they may loose...or better yet one might have to work to achieve success! I think that there has to be a balance children have to be allowed to grow,learn, play be kids but they also need to be pushed to do more than they think they can. Children are for the most part lazy and they will work as hard as parents or educators set the bar. The problem is a lot of people set the bar way to low! Think of what some children might achieve if they are simply challenged more!!!

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#19 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:13 PM EST

                        Watch and listen carefully..

                        She recounts the story of how her father gets furious at being invited to an awards ceremony in which she places second. He says "don't ever disgrace me like that again".

                        She tells us here that this parenting approach is all about pride. The child's achievement serves the social and status needs of the parent. It is not about making a happy child it is about making the parent look good, period.

                        Yes, China has a VERY high suicide rate among young people.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#20 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:13 PM EST

                        It's just my opinion that Amy and her husband did a fantastic job raising the girls, they also learned lessons along the way, as she stated in the interview it was a journey, she also stated that, this book describes her family, this upbringing is about her family and the way it went down, it's not for "ALL" families to follow her lead.

                        Most of us with western ideas on how to raise our kids, could learn a thing or two from this family, remember these are kids, they need guidance and direction until they can figure it out on there own, and hopefully by the time they figure it out, they are ready to move forward as productice citizens and respectful adults. Which are two qualities that a lot of our kids are missing today, respect and productivity. Of course kids want things there own way, 10 out of 10 times.

                        These parents knew how to say "NO", I know saying "NO" was a struggle for me when I was raising my kids, but I did it anyway-sometimes-but my kids turned out very productive, and responsible. Of course now my grand daughter doesn't understand no, of course that's a whole new story.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#21 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:25 PM EST

                        They no longer live in China because they are taking advantage of what America has to offer.  They do not care about Americans, America, or anyone else in the world. 

                          Reply#22 - Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:54 PM EST

                          Seems she's fitting right in, then. We're not one big homogenous population who think and feel the same.

                          • 3 votes
                          #22.1 - Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:06 PM EST
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