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    31
    Aug
    2011
    2:23pm, EDT

    Feminism and the 5-year-old: Not always what mom expects

    By Sara Pines

    Inspired by a new HBO documentary about Gloria Steinem, Katie Couric asked on her Twitter feed the other day:  Are you a feminist?

    Future happy homemaker? Isabelle poses proudly with the cake that she baked with her mom, Sara Pines.

    YES, I tweeted, in caps. I am now and always have been. From high school on.  I worked at the Womyn's Center (can't remember if they really spelled it that way, but you get the idea) in college.  I worked in various women's organizations in the years during and after college. 

    I grew up with two working parents during the 1970's in New York City, where the women's movement was part of everyday life.  We weren't a politically active family but equality was just taken for granted.  I was raised to believe I can do anything I want.

    And I did. I'm now a 40-something single working mom, with a great career and a beautiful daughter, working everyday to keep all the balls in the air.

    So, this morning, as my 5-year-old daughter and I are walking to the playground and I steered her and her scooter around a manhole cover, she asked why it was called a manhole.  I told her, "Well, the men take the covers off and go down under the street to fix the pipes." 

    Sara Pines

    Sara Pines and her daughter -- who will grow up to be anything she wants to be.

    She shot back, "Only men?"

    I had a small feeling of satisfaction at that question as I allowed that it could be men or women.

    Then, she laid it on me:  "Mom, when I grow up, I'm not going to work, I'm going to stay home and take care of the babies."

    Really?

    I know that, as with many ideas in a 5-year-old brain, this too shall pass and tomorrow she'll want to be an astronaut or a sportscaster or a showgirl.

    Fresh off my viewing of the Gloria Steinem documentary, I didn't want to over-react but I did want to send a message.  I said, "Well, honey, you can be anything you want to be.  But did you know there was a time when there were jobs people thought only men could do?"

    "Like fixing the pipes?"

    "Yes, or being a doctor or a lawyer or a bus driver."

    "So, I can be anything I want to be."

    Live Poll

    Do you want to raise your children to be feminists?

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    • 157426
      Yes
      51%
    • 157427
      No
      49%

    VoteTotal Votes: 336

    Satisfied, for the moment, I said, "Yes."

    "I want to stay home with the babies."

    Ohhhhh-kaaaaaay.  Well, I guess she told me. 

    I guess feminism is all about choices, right?

    Yes, Isabelle, you can stay home with the babies -- as long as I get to come and play with them every once in a while.

    TODAY Moms contributor Sara Pines is an editor at TODAY and has been working with the show in various capacities for 17 years. A native New Yorker, she is the single mom of a beautiful 5-year-old daughter.

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  • 16
    Nov
    2009
    10:33am, EST

    Is Sarah Palin a good role model for women?

    The former beauty queen rose to become an Alaskan governor and a vice-presidential candidate – the second woman to ever run on a major U.S. party ticket -- all while raising five children. Is she a feminist who proves you can do it all? Or did she let the women of America down? Share your thoughts.

    Results with 13 short comments
    Total of 416 votes - click on the "Display Comments" bar below to sort comments

    38.5%
    Yes
    160 votes
    61.5%
    No
    256 votes
    Display Comments:
    No

    she is way too conservative, and not as educated as most women politicians.

    • 2 votes
    #1
     - Judy C. White
     - 11:00 am EST on Mon Nov 16, 2009
    No

    No. She lacks in-depth intelligence, grace, & class. She has nearly set us back 100 years with her babbling, tunnel vision & narcissism.

    • 4 votes
    #2
     - DianaRose-1470440
     - 2:09 pm EST on Mon Nov 16, 2009
    No

    She would be a better role model if she knew her stuff. If she was educated in the issues, she would be a better role model - maybe...

    • 2 votes
    #3
     - Michelle-1019511
     - 4:31 pm EST on Mon Nov 16, 2009
    Yes

    I'm amazed at the way the media can spin anything/anybody! She did the best job she was allowed to do. Not a feminist & I wasn't let down!

      #4
       - Pinkie-1471074
       - 7:03 pm EST on Mon Nov 16, 2009
      No

      No absolutely not!

      • 1 vote
      #5
       - Lola-984242
       - 7:37 pm EST on Mon Nov 16, 2009
      Yes

      Absolutely! Obama could never handle all that she does.

        #6
         - momtwo4
         - 7:37 pm EST on Mon Nov 16, 2009
        Yes

        and after her interview with OPRAH, I respect her even more!

          #7
           - JoanneT-1472697
           - 8:47 am EST on Tue Nov 17, 2009
          No

          She's not a good role model for any human, but perhaps for rattlesnakes.

          • 1 vote
          #8
           - Bill III
           - 10:57 am EST on Tue Nov 17, 2009
          No

          I would expect a woman who is supposed to represent other women to possess more eloquency in her speech and comportment.

          • 2 votes
          #9
           - lilgremlin
           - 12:28 pm EST on Tue Nov 17, 2009
          No

          Are you kidding, she more of a cautionary tale at best.

          • 2 votes
          #10
           - TR-421173
           - 2:44 pm EST on Tue Nov 17, 2009
          No

          Palin is a terrible role model for women.

          • 1 vote
          #11
           - Auteur 1536
           - 2:49 pm EST on Tue Nov 17, 2009
          No

          Anti-women's rights women aren't good role models.

          • 1 vote
          #12
           - VerbalBarb
           - 2:54 pm EST on Tue Nov 17, 2009
          Yes

          Heck yea! An in tact marriage and family with everyday problems any family might have. She sets goals & follows through as we all should.

            #13
             - Brian-1367355
             - 10:50 am EST on Wed Jan 6, 2010

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            Is Sarah Palin a good role model for women? Hell no!

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